Legislature(2017 - 2018)BUTROVICH 205

03/22/2017 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION

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*+ SB 87 SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION ENERGY EFFICIENCY STD TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
*+ SB 96 EDUCATION:SCHOOLS/TEACHERS/FUNDING TELECONFERENCED
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        SB 87-SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION ENERGY EFFICIENCY STD                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:00:41 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
SB 87. She said it is the first hearing of the bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:01:21 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ANNA  MACKINNON, Alaska State Legislature,  sponsor of SB
87.  She related  her experience  on finance  committees and  her                                                               
current role as  the capital budget chair, during  which time the                                                               
finance committees  advanced hundreds of millions  of dollars for                                                               
construction  across the  state. SB  87 provides  a framework  to                                                               
advance  some  of the  design  work  done for  public  buildings,                                                               
specifically  education facilities,  to create  energy efficiency                                                               
standards  greater  than  the  state  is  currently  applying  to                                                               
buildings.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She  stated that  the  goal of  SB  87 is  to  make schools  more                                                               
affordable and  maintainable, and  to extend  the life  of public                                                               
school  facilities.  It  provides for  long-term  operating  cost                                                               
savings. The School Capital  Construction Debt Reimbursement Plan                                                               
has been suspended  and the bill is an opportunity  for when that                                                               
plan goes  back into effect  and investment dollars  are utilized                                                               
to create long-term savings through energy cost savings.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKINNON spoke  of small communities in  the state where                                                               
there are  multiple facilities that  could be co-located.  A task                                                               
force  included  in SB  87  could  establish, together  with  the                                                               
Department  of  Education  and Early  Development  (DEED),  which                                                               
entities could  be melded  together. She  provided an  example of                                                               
co-location of  a library and a  fire hall in the  same building.                                                               
Another  possibility might  be  to co-locate  health  aides in  a                                                               
school facility.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She said  she is  starting a  conversation about  maintaining and                                                               
controlling  costs  and  extending  the  life  of  public  school                                                               
facilities, as well as  prioritizing classroom infrastructure and                                                               
functional design  versus just looking  good. She noted  that her                                                               
team has  been reaching out  to the Association of  Alaska School                                                               
Boards,   to  principals   and   superintendents,  to   classroom                                                               
teachers,  to DEED,  and to  contractors,  engineers, and  design                                                               
firms. Everyone does not agree with everything in the bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She heard some districts say that  the front of a school building                                                               
consumes  about  10  percent  of design  costs,  which  could  be                                                               
invested in the classroom instead. She  did not want to take away                                                               
local  control, but  would like  to see  the buildings  be energy                                                               
efficient, have temperature control standards, and look at co-                                                                  
location.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:05:35 AM                                                                                                                    
BRITTANY HUTCHISON, Staff, Alaska State Legislature, Juneau,                                                                    
presented the sectional analysis of SB 87. She began with                                                                       
Section 10:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  10  (pg.   8  Line  26  -  pg.   11  line  2):                                                                  
     Establishes  the Public  School  Energy Efficiency  and                                                                    
     Standardized Components  Working Group.  Established in                                                                    
     the Department  of Education and Early  Development for                                                                    
     the   purpose   of   recommending   energy   efficiency                                                                    
     standards   and   standardized   options   for   energy                                                                    
     efficient building and  equipment components for public                                                                    
     school  facilities construction  and major  maintenance                                                                    
     projects  who receive  a grant  or reimbursement  in an                                                                    
     amount equal to 50% or more of the project costs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     a.  The   working  group   consists  of   nine  members                                                                    
     appointed by the Commissioner.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     b. The  working group  shall select  a chair  and vice-                                                                    
     chair. Majority  establishes quorum. Decision  are made                                                                    
     on majority vote.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     c. Develop recommendations  appropriate to each climate                                                                    
     zone in the state:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     1.  Establish  energy efficiency  standards  consistent                                                                    
     with  relevant   building,  plumbing,   and  electrical                                                                    
     copes.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     2. Standardized  options for energy  efficient building                                                                    
     and  equipment components  from which  school districts                                                                    
     may choose from.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     3. Best  practices for improving energy  efficiency for                                                                    
     existing  and newly  constructed  school facilities  in                                                                    
     order to  maximize the  energy efficiency  of buildings                                                                    
     and equipment components.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     4. The  maximum cost standard  for each square  foot of                                                                    
     construction  of an  energy  efficient school  facility                                                                    
     that  uses   components  identified  in  (2)   of  this                                                                    
     subsection. The  maximum cost  must be  appropriate for                                                                    
     designs  that prioritize  classroom infrastructure  and                                                                    
     functional  design.  The  costs must  be  adjusted  for                                                                    
     different regions within each climate zone.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     d. The standardized component options must:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     1. Result in designs for  buildings with a 30 year life                                                                    
     for new  construction and 20  years for  renovations or                                                                    
     energy efficiency upgrades                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     2.  Achieve economic  savings, as  measured  by a  life                                                                    
     cycle  cost analysis  through the  use of  standardized                                                                    
     options   and   fuel   cost  reductions   from   energy                                                                    
     efficiency upgrades.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     3.   Focus   the   state's  investment   in   education                                                                    
     facilities  by   prioritizing  functional   design  and                                                                    
     classroom infrastructure.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     e.   The  working   group  shall   complete  a   report                                                                    
     summarizing  their  recommendations,   and  submit  the                                                                    
     report electronically.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     f.  The   working  group  may  meet   by  telephone  or                                                                    
     videoconference. They  will not  receive reimbursement,                                                                    
     compensation or per diem.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     g. The working  group terminates on the  date 18 months                                                                    
     after the effective date of this section.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:07:07 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. HUTCHISON continued with Section 9:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9  (pg. 7 line  1 - pg.  8 line 25):  Creates a                                                                  
     new  section   in  state  law:  AS   14.11.104.  School                                                                    
     Facility Design and  Maintenance Standards. It requires                                                                    
     DEED to:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     1.   Establish,   by  regulation,   energy   efficiency                                                                    
     standards   that  include   standardized  options   for                                                                    
     building and equipment  components, appropriate to each                                                                    
     climate  zone in  the state  for  the construction  and                                                                    
     major   maintenance    of   school    facilities.   The                                                                    
     regulations must include:                                                                                                  
     a. Energy efficiency standards  that are consistent and                                                                    
     relevant  to building,  plumbing  and electrical  codes                                                                    
     that will reduce long-term operating costs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     b.  Provide standardized  options for  energy efficient                                                                    
     building and  equipment components from which  a school                                                                    
     district may  choose when  designing a  school facility                                                                    
     or renovating an existing facility.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     c.  Establish  best   practices  for  improving  energy                                                                    
     efficiency  for existing  and newly  constructed school                                                                    
     facilities.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     d.  Establish the  maximum  acceptable  costs for  each                                                                    
     square foot  for construction  or major  maintenance of                                                                    
     an  energy efficient  school  facility. The  department                                                                    
     shall:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     i. Base  the maximum  costs on designs  that prioritize                                                                    
     classroom infrastructure and functional design.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ii. The maximum acceptable  cost must be adjustable for                                                                    
     different regions within each climate zone.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2.  Create   a  maintenance  manual  for   schools  and                                                                    
     maintenance  crews  that   provides  information  about                                                                    
     maintaining   and    repairing   standardized   options                                                                    
     identified in the energy efficiency standards.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     3. Consider  establishing a statewide  maintenance team                                                                    
     to  help schools  in  maintaining  and repairing  their                                                                    
     standardized components. The  department may enter into                                                                    
     a contract with a  regional or local organization, AEA,                                                                    
     DOT, or  another state agency to  create this statewide                                                                    
     maintenance team.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     4.   Requirements  for   a   school   district  and   a                                                                    
     maintenance team, if established,  to submit reports to                                                                    
     the Department of Education and Early Development:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     a.  The date  that maintenance  was performed  and what                                                                    
     maintenance was performed                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     b. The condition of school facilities                                                                                      
     c. Monitoring data:  occupancy, electricity usage, fuel                                                                    
     usage, temperature, etc.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     5.  Acquire  ownership of  the  design  for any  school                                                                    
     facility  for which  a grant  or bond  reimbursement is                                                                    
     approved in  an amount of  50% or  more of the  cost of                                                                    
     construction.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     6.  DEED   must  assess,   in  consultation   with  the                                                                    
     Department  of  Administration  and the  Department  of                                                                    
     Transportation, all  state lease payments,  state owned                                                                    
     facilities and  the use of  school facilities  in rural                                                                    
     areas  to  determine  whether   other  state  or  local                                                                    
     services can be  located in the same  facility in order                                                                    
     to  reduce  state funding  needs.  Any  state or  local                                                                    
     service  that may  be co-located  with a  public school                                                                    
     must  have all  their employees  meet background  check                                                                    
     requirements   equivalent  to   the  requirements   for                                                                    
     teachers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     a. Rural is defined                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     b. State or local service  is defined with the words or                                                                    
     "similar entity"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:08:26 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HUTCHISON noted  that 24  percent of  schools in  Alaska are                                                               
under 50 percent  full and 29 percent are under  75 percent full.                                                               
This  means that  there is  a  possibility of  co-location in  53                                                               
percent of Alaska schools.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She explained that Sections 1-7 relate to grant applications for                                                                
school construction and Section 8 relates to bond reimbursement                                                                 
for school construction.                                                                                                        
She continued:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Section 1 (pg. 2  Lines 3-11): Amends  AS 14.11.011(b)                                                                  
     by  increasing  the  information  needed  in  a  school                                                                    
     district's  grant   application.  The   district  shall                                                                    
     submit:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     1.   Information   demonstrating   that   the   project                                                                    
     incorporates  standardized  options  for  building  and                                                                    
     equipment  components and  is  in  compliance with  the                                                                    
     recommendations made under Section 9 of the bill.                                                                          
     2. Documentation of  the building commissioning process                                                                    
     the district  uses for both new  construction and major                                                                    
     maintenance projects.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2 (pg.  3 Lines  11-12 and  22-25): Amends  AS                                                                  
     14.11.013 by                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     a.  Adding to  the  duties of  the Capital  Improvement                                                                    
     Project  grant schedule,  the requirement  for DEED  to                                                                    
     verify  that the  project  follows the  recommendations                                                                    
     made in Section 9 and                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     b. Requiring  that a capital improvement  project grant                                                                    
     request must  achieve savings measured by  a life-cycle                                                                    
     cost   analysis  through   the  use   of:  standardized                                                                    
     options,  energy  efficiency  upgrades, and  fuel  cost                                                                    
     reductions                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:09:08 AM                                                                                                                    
     Section  3  (pg. 4  Line  10):  Amends AS  14.11.013(d)                                                                  
     which allows  DEED to  reduce a  project budget  by the                                                                    
     cost of  those portions of  a project design  that they                                                                    
     determine does  not meet  the criteria  set out  by the                                                                    
     Section 9 of the bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
     Section 4 (pg. 4 lines 13-17):                                                                                           
     a.  When a  school district  is applying  for a  grant,                                                                    
     DEED  shall consult  with  Alaska  Energy Authority  to                                                                    
     make sure that the projects  are in compliance with the                                                                    
     criteria from Section 9.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     b. Defines  "life-cycle cost" as  the meaning  given in                                                                    
     AS 46.11.900                                                                                                               
     -  "life-cycle cost"  means the  total cost  of owning,                                                                    
     operating, and  maintaining a building over  its useful                                                                    
     life, including  its energy and fuel  costs, determined                                                                    
     on a  basis of a  systematic evaluation  and comparison                                                                    
     of  alternative building  systems, except  that in  the                                                                    
     case of  leased buildings the life-cycle  cost shall be                                                                    
     calculated  over the  effective remaining  term of  the                                                                    
     lease;                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5 (pg.  4 Line 29 and pg. 5  Lines 4-5): Amends                                                                  
     AS  14.11.014(b) Requiring  the Bond  Reimbursement and                                                                    
     Grant  Review  Committee  to, along  with  their  other                                                                    
     duties:                                                                                                                    
     1. Analyze designs acquired by the Department, and                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     2. Set  standards based on the  standards adopted under                                                                    
     Section 9.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6 (pg. 5 Lines 13-14,  16-17, 30- line 6 on pg.                                                                  
     6): Amends AS 14.11.017(a)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     1.  Requires  that  a   school  district  must  include                                                                    
     criteria developed  in Section 9 when  they are seeking                                                                    
     a grant for school construction.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     2.  Requires that  the school  district not  exceed the                                                                    
     maximum cost standards established by Section 9.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     3.   Disallows  any   school  districts,   contractors,                                                                    
     architects, or  designers involved with the  design and                                                                    
     building  of a  school  facility from  applying for  an                                                                    
     architectural  or  design award,  if  the  grant is  an                                                                    
     amount equal  to or  greater than  50% of  the project.                                                                    
     This  does  not  exclude energy  efficiency  grants  or                                                                    
     innovative design grants.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:10:16 AM                                                                                                                    
     Section 7  (pg. 6 Lines  7-11): Amends AS  14.11.017 to                                                                  
     state that if  a cost of a project  exceeds the maximum                                                                    
     cost  standards  established  by Section  9,  then  the                                                                    
     municipality or  REAA must pay  for the excess  cost of                                                                    
     the building outside of state funds.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8 (pg.  6 Lines 12-31): Amends  AS 14.11.100 by                                                                  
     adding   three  sections   to.   The  commissioner   of                                                                    
     Education  may  not  approve an  application  for  bond                                                                    
     reimbursement, unless the  municipality, as a condition                                                                    
     of reimbursement:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     1.  Agrees  to  construction  of  an  appropriate  size                                                                    
     school facility  that meets  criteria developed  by the                                                                    
     Department  and section  9 of  this bill.  In assessing                                                                    
     this criteria,  the Commissioner of DEED  shall consult                                                                    
     with AEA.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     2.  Provides  reasonable  assurance  that  the  project                                                                    
     costs  will  not  exceed   the  maximum  cost  standard                                                                    
     established  by the  Department under  Section 9.  If a                                                                    
     school district does exceed  the maximum cost standard,                                                                    
     the municipality or  REAA will pay for  the excess with                                                                    
     funds from outside of state government.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     3. If a  project receives bond reimbursement  of 50% or                                                                    
     more  of the  cost  of the  project, the  municipality,                                                                    
     architects,  engineers  and  designers  are  prohibited                                                                    
     from submitting for an architectural design award.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:11:16 AM                                                                                                                    
     Section 11 (pg. 11 lines 3 - 9): Applicability                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 12 (pg. 11 Lines 10 - 19):                                                                                       
     a. DEED shall adopt  regulations necessary to implement                                                                    
     the changes made by this act.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     b.  The  regulations  required  under  section  9  must                                                                    
     implement  the  recommendations  of the  public  school                                                                    
     energy efficiency  and standardized  components working                                                                    
     group established in section 10.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     c.  The  regulations take  effect  after  18 months  of                                                                    
     enactment of this legislation                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 13  (pg. 11 Lines  20-21): Sections 1-9  and 11                                                                  
     take  effect  24 months  after  the  effective date  of                                                                    
     section 10                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14  (pg. 11 Line  22): Section 10  takes effect                                                                  
     immediately.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section  15  (pg. 11  Lines  23-24):  Section 12  takes                                                                  
     effect 18  months after the  effective date  of section                                                                    
     10 of this act.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:12:09 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL inquired if the legislature could review the                                                                    
regulations. He noted there is a push for Leadership in Energy                                                                  
and Environmental Design (LEED) standards.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUTCHISON said that has been discussed, but is not currently                                                                
in the bill and would be a good idea.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:13:48 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH referred  to  Section  8, lines  19  and 20,  and                                                               
Section   4,  lines   15  and   16,  where   the  bill   mentions                                                               
consultations with the Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA). He pointed                                                               
out  that  most of  the  state's  sustainable energy  and  energy                                                               
efficiency   work   is   being   done  by   the   Department   of                                                               
Transportation  and Public  Facilities (DOTPF).  He asked  if the                                                               
sponsor would consider changing consulting work to DOTPF.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUTCHISON said  AEA brought  up that  consideration and  she                                                               
said she would discuss it with DOTPF.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:15:11 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MACKINNON  stated that  whoever  can  do the  task  most                                                               
efficiently is where it will reside.  She noted a new fiscal note                                                               
from  DEED and  said AEA  is a  qualified entity,  as are  Alaska                                                               
Housing Finance  Corporation and Alaska Cold  Climate. Also, DEED                                                               
has many handbooks that talk about energy efficiency.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She opined  that, given  the climate  situation and  energy costs                                                               
throughout Alaska,  the legislature  must take  a look  at energy                                                               
efficiency.  She  was  accepting of  Senator  Coghill's  friendly                                                               
amendment  to  review the  task  force  conclusions. She  said  a                                                               
previous challenge with  this legislation was trying  to get DEED                                                               
to  standardize design  specifications instead  of having  unique                                                               
designs.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She concluded that SB 87 is  a work in process, however, the goal                                                               
is to  have efficient buildings  in urban and rural  Alaska. When                                                               
state dollars  are invested  in a project,  it is  important that                                                               
students are warm, schools have  lights and backup energy sources                                                               
and are used year  round. It is important to take  the time to do                                                               
it right.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:17:58 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH said  he really likes the concept of  the bill. He                                                               
recalled when  he worked  with the  Division of  Juvenile Justice                                                               
they  worked   on  template  designs   because  they   were  more                                                               
efficient.  He  noted  that  SB  87  provides  for  up  to  seven                                                               
different template  designs. He  credited the sponsor  for taking                                                               
all the right steps.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH suggested  on page 7, lines 21 and  22, to tighten                                                               
the language or come up with  a clear definition as it applies to                                                               
"different regions in  each climate zone." He pointed  out that a                                                               
region within  a climate  zone is not  clearly defined.  He noted                                                               
that  in the  Yukon Koyukuk  area there  are radically  different                                                               
climates  within  the  same region.  He  suggested  groupings  of                                                               
communities when building a new school.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:19:42 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MACKINNON reiterated that the  bill is in process and she                                                               
is happy to accept suggestions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH  brought  up  the   idea  of  considering  design                                                               
templates  for buildings  other  than schools,  such  as for  co-                                                               
locating structures  in the communities.  He asked if  the bill's                                                               
standards would apply to co-located structures.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MACKINNON  said yes.  She  noted  that she  and  Senator                                                               
Hughes have talked about wanting SB  87 and SB 96 to fit together                                                               
and to have structures throughout Alaska be treated equally.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:20:53 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGHES  thanked  Senator  MacKinnon  for  bringing  SB  87                                                               
forward, saying  it is overdue.  She asked if the  bill's process                                                               
would  apply to  a  basic remodel  and an  addition  to a  school                                                               
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKINNON said it would. The  idea is that the state will                                                               
probably reconstruct  more buildings than  build new ones  in the                                                               
near  future.  Many   new  schools  are  waiting   to  be  built,                                                               
particularly  in rural  Alaska. All  of those  school boards  are                                                               
concerned with  energy efficiencies and  may or may not  have the                                                               
resources  available  to  understand construction  materials  and                                                               
insulation  choices.  The state  should  be  leading the  way  in                                                               
providing that information.  If there is a  50 percent investment                                                               
of dollars  by the state it  would trigger the provisions  in the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:22:27 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGHES  noted  that the  Denali  Commission  has  provided                                                               
funding for  clinic facilities  in the past.  She asked  if there                                                               
are  federal  requirements that  have  to  be  met in  order  for                                                               
clinics to co-locate with a school facility.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKINNON said  she would expect DEED to  work within the                                                               
task force with anything related  to co-location. If the state is                                                               
spending money  on clinics,  it should  be looking  at maximizing                                                               
those dollars for the people in  the region, the building that is                                                               
being affected, and the state, for long-term investment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She related that DOTPF is  looking at several villages where they                                                               
are building 3 airports and  3 schools within a 15-mile corridor.                                                               
From DOTPF's  perspective, it would  cost less to maintain  the 3                                                               
separate airports  than the  15 miles of  road. However,  each of                                                               
the three  villages has to  build three different  buildings. She                                                               
noted  that the  balance belongs  to  the people  and the  state;                                                               
local  control and  the state.  The  choice of  local control  is                                                               
important. She  suggested to  look beyond  educational investment                                                               
to see other  related needs in a community  and seek co-location.                                                               
She stressed that is should be a regional conversation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:26:25 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH  suggested another  concept  to  consider in  the                                                               
bill; the  use of  Rural Educational  Attendance Area  (REAA) and                                                               
Small Schools Funds for major maintenance in schools.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:27:28 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MACKINNON agreed to look  at everything. She did not want                                                               
to use  one-time money  for re-occurring  expenses. She  said she                                                               
would have to research that funding source.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She said the  bill has an admirable goal, but  some people do not                                                               
want to  see change because  change is  hard, and it  costs money                                                               
sometimes. She stated  that it is the people's money  and we need                                                               
to do  what is best  for the people  and the students  of Alaska.                                                               
She  added   that  she   is  not  saying   there  won't   be  new                                                               
construction, but rather  that it is more likely  that there will                                                               
be  re-construction or  major maintenance,  which  would have  to                                                               
comply with the new standards in the bill.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:28:58 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES asked, when a school  is going to be built, if there                                                               
is an analysis of community size and potential for growth.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKINNON  said she thought  there was.  Sometimes people                                                               
don't  believe growth  projections.  She provided  an example  in                                                               
Eagle River  where she doubted  the projections which  turned out                                                               
to be accurate.  She concluded that you try to  do what you think                                                               
is best with  the money you have. She noted  that populations are                                                               
relocating, such as to Mat-Su.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  provided an example  of long-lasting  old buildings                                                               
in  Germany. She  whether durability  and extending  the life  of                                                               
buildings are considerations.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:32:21 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MACKINNON  said yes.  She  chose,  as a  measurement  of                                                               
durability, the  life of a typical  mortgage - 30 years.  This is                                                               
another reason  for the state to  own building designs -  so that                                                               
problems can be worked on for improved durability.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:33:20 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. HUTCHISON  referred to  Section 10 where  it states  that new                                                               
buildings must have a 30-year  lifespan and renovations a 20-year                                                               
lifespan. She said they are open to changing those numbers.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL asked who owns  the designs and what expertise is                                                               
needed for  applying the  designs. He  asked if  it would  mean a                                                               
change in venue.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKINNON  said currently DEED believes  everything needs                                                               
to be  unique and the  state does not  own the designs.  She does                                                               
not believe that everything needs  to be unique; public buildings                                                               
have  a responsibility  to be  functional  and efficient,  before                                                               
beautiful.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She shared  an experience  about a design  center in  Eagle River                                                               
that saved $1  million by using the same  design and construction                                                               
team. She pointed  out that delivery costs of  materials in rural                                                               
Alaska  are very  high. She  was open  to those  other than  DEED                                                               
handling design and construction of schools.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:36:43 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH  supported  that  idea. He  shared  how  Juvenile                                                               
Justice  buildings  were  built  from  the  same  template  which                                                               
simplified the process. The bill  has 7 different templates which                                                               
are adaptable to location.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MACKINNON said the bill  provides local flexibility to do                                                               
what a community  thinks is best and what an  architect thinks is                                                               
safe. The  bill uses limited  dollars to create  energy efficient                                                               
buildings that may need to  be adaptable. She provided an example                                                               
of co-locating a nurse to accommodate a community's need.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  said in 1994  the Governor's Conference  on Youth                                                               
and Justice  established that  there would  be health  clinics in                                                               
new school designs.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:39:55 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES mentioned public health  facilities and the need for                                                               
co-locations for  their clinics due  to budget reasons.  The bill                                                               
could address that need.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  agreed. She  said sometimes  there is  no health                                                               
clinic in a  rural area, so public health nurses  have to provide                                                               
health care in  classrooms. She provided an  example in Anchorage                                                               
of a private  health entity that contracts for space  in a middle                                                               
school to provide more efficient services.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:42:15 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL thought  a lot of current  building standards are                                                               
energy   efficient  and   available   and  could   be  used   and                                                               
standardized. He  suggested tightening  up the timeline  in order                                                               
to get a working product sooner.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  suggested looking at rapidly  changing technology                                                               
and the need for flexibility in schools.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES summarized that she  has received calls from several                                                               
in  the  construction  industry  who  have  been  building  rural                                                               
schools and they suggested change is needed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES held SB 87 in committee.                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 87 - Sponsor Statement.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 87 - Legislation Ver. J.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 87 - Sectional Analysis.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 87 - Fiscal Note - EED-SFF-3-17-17.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 87 - Supporting Documents - DEED Energy Data FY02 - FY17.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 87 - Supporting Documents - 2017 School Capacity.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 87 - Supporting Documents - Climate Zones.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 87 - Supporting Documents - DEED Capital Improvement Projects 15 year analysis.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 87
SB 96 - Sponsor Statement.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 96
SB 96 - Legislation Ver. R.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 96
SB 96 - Sectional Analysis.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 96
SB 96 - Supporting Document - Fact Sheet.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 96
SB 96 - Supporting Document - DEED Performance Review PTPC Recommendations.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 96
SB 96 - Supporting Document - PSTF_Forecast_through_JAN2017_FINAL as of 2.23.2017.pdf SEDC 3/22/2017 8:00:00 AM
SB 96